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州长:西澳欢迎中国投资

时间:2009-07-29  来源:《澳大利亚时报》   作者:网管   点击:

专访西澳大利亚州州长科林·巴奈特

《澳大利亚时报》总编张野博士 太平绅士

张博士:刚刚从中国回来?

州长:星期天晚上刚回来。

张博士:星期天晚上?一定是一个富有成果的北京之行吧?

州长:是的。我计划此行已经有一段时间,幸运的是我在中国度过了那一个星期的时间。毫无疑问,中国和澳大利亚关系在一些问题上有一些紧张。我认为很幸运我到那里去了,我能够让人们放心,我们有着良好的友好关系,我特别强调的是澳大利亚,特别是西澳,欢迎中国投资。在接下来一个星期的时间里,我发现澳中关系渐渐回到了它应该的样子。中国有很大的兴趣和热情,当然在那一个星期时间里也有一些巧合的问题发生。

张博士:力拓胡世泰案件怎么样?你在上海的时候与上海市长谈到了这起案件。

州长:我向上海市长提到了这个案件,到目前为止,那是在这个问题上与中国的最高级别的政治接触。这是那段时间我唯一一次提出这一案件。我认为在那个时候刚好适当。我只是提出,我们尊重中国的主权,尊重其法律制度和司法体系,但我们希望案件可以迅速着手进行处理,我还请求让澳大利亚领事馆的工作人员可以更多接触胡世泰,这不仅仅是为他的个人福祉,他的家人也为他担心。所以,我想说明这一点。上海市长听取了我说的意见。他强调,必须采用中国法律,我愿意接受这一点,不过他确实表示,他会把我的信息转达给在北京的有关部门。

张博士:你认为该案件在中国将会迅速得到处理还是会拖延时日?

州长:我希望,虽然我从来没有提出该案件应该快速处理的请求,但如果案件不拖延,不仅对胡世泰和他的家人好,而且不会造成澳大利亚和中国关系的广泛损害。我可以理解,在中国,有人对澳大利亚媒体大量评论此案以及其他一些问题表示担心。我认为,在中国,人们对于澳大利亚政界人士和澳大利亚媒体对中国的许多内部问题进行评论感到敏感。关于这个问题就是这样,但我的重点是西澳大利亚州、贸易和投资,事实是西澳向中国的出口占澳大利亚全国的68%。我的中国东道主非常清楚这一点,对此非常欢迎。在那一个星期,开始时可能略有紧张,但到那个星期结束时,我认为关系是极好的。在那个星期内,人们给了我许多中国将积极大幅度参与的决定,应该说意向。我向人们保证,欢迎他们。我很幸运在那里度过一个星期。

张博士:让我们再回到在北京与工商界会议吧。你说,中国再度表示有兴趣参与西澳大利亚州的开发,特别是Oakagee港口与铁路项目。但我记得,据报道,你在2月份排除了Yilgarn关于开发Oakagee港口与铁路项目的投标,Yilgarn是一个中国支持的公司。你在这方面的立场有改变吗?

州长:这个说法是不正确的。Oakagee港口与铁路开发项目的招标过程是上届政府完成德,不是我现在的政府。我在当时就质疑(投标)过程中基本上是我们两个重要贸易伙伴之间的竞争。这两个对手提出了关于港口和铁路开发的投标建议书,上届政府接受了,他们据此授予Oakagee港口与铁路项目。我接受了而且继续推进。话虽如此,但在北京举行的会议上我说得非常清楚,我们欢迎中国直接参与该项目。这可以在几个方面来实现。因为我把整个Oakagee的开发,从煤矿到铁路到港口,作为一个工业区,作为西澳和亚洲的一个主要项目。它将是第一个真正的澳大利亚、日本和中国的合作。我相信,这将会实现。

张博士:我还记得我们一起访问杭州的日子。你注意到现在的杭州和当时的杭州有什么不同吗?

州长:物质的发展引人注目。抵达杭州的第一印象是进入市区的宽阔道路。那是一条25公里长的路,有美丽的花园。杭州是一个非常,非常引人入胜的城市。西湖区大致和以前一样,但市区呈现出非常有活力、非常繁荣的城市景象。这也是我对整个中国的印象。我对那里建筑的风格、城市的洁净、运输系统的效率印象非常深刻。给人留下深刻印象。

张博士:你如何与7年前我们一起访问杭州时进行比较?

州长:进步很大。更微妙,但也许更重要的是,我发现我与之打交道的机构从各方面说都是世界级的。他们的管理质量、人们的资质、非常尖端的业务。一些集团已经跻身《财富》杂志世界500强公司。从任何意义上说,我第一次访问中国时,(那里)仍处于现代经济的初级阶段。这些机构可以与任何美国机构、任何欧洲机构相媲美。这可能是我看到的改变。这令人印象非常深刻。我非常高兴。

张博士:现在的“体验西澳”英语比赛以前被称为“走进西澳”,已经进行了5年。你如何评估比赛的成果?西澳州政府每年接待这样一个大型学生团体,每年25或30名学生,有什么好处?

州长: 25名学生。西澳与浙江的关系一直是非常成功的。我感到高兴的是,上个星期,我们签署了关于大麦生产、保安与警察培训以及另外两个领域的合作协议。这是一个非常广泛的关系。政府机构、私营部门和大学都有参与。这个关系的组成部分不仅是企业之间的联系,而且是人特别是青年人之间的联系。今年是英语比赛的第五个年头。你看到了今天在这里的25名学生。他们在这里只有几天时间。他们刚刚抵达。能够在西澳逗留一个星期很好。他们看起来都很兴奋,都期待着体验新的事物。从实效的角度来看,事实是,在浙江省参加比赛的学生近30万。不仅这30万学生,而且他们的父母和家人以及朋友都将了解到一些关于西澳的事情,比如西澳在什么地方、那里正在发生什么事情,与浙江有什么样的关系,这好极了。我认为这是非常积极的事情。甚至今天来的一些学生可能还要回来,到这里来学习,到一定阶段会到这里工作或度假。他们还非常年轻。我期待着西澳学校有更多的学生去浙江。这是一个非常热情而友好的关系。非常热情。

张博士:所以,你认为这是一个很好的推销西澳的方式?

州长:是的。根据我的记忆,浙江有5300万人而我们才只有200万人。我们不能一次去所有的地方。因此,我们与浙江建立了一个关系,我们见到的一些官员向我说到,西澳和浙江之间的关系是最强的浙江对外关系。他们与德国的一个州也有很强的关系。这是两个可行的、有效的关系。我们的关系非常好。所以我们可以与中国的某部分有一个有效的关系,但我们不能在中国全面铺开。中国太大了。而且,从经济上讲,浙江-上海地区有很多业务联系。我不知道浙江人是怎么想的,但上海人说,“浙江是我们的后院”。中国的这一地区对我们来说非常重要。州省关系非常友好。

张博士:在你任职期间,也就是今后三年,在促进西澳-浙江关系方面,或者更广泛意义上的西澳-中国关系方面,你的优先考虑是什么?

州长:就更广泛的与中国的关系,我的看法是,西澳州,从某种意义上说,乐见中国作为原材料买家。这也适合中国。贸易关系一直良好。中国已成为西澳大利亚州的一个重要的出口市场。现在,在我的州长任内,我想看到的是我们可以把这种关系推向更高水平。它不仅仅是出口的关系,出口关系在那个范围内非常重要。我们更应该看到在许多其他项目中的投资、合资企业、中澳公司携手合作。我们从简单的贸易关系开始,发展到投资和真正的经济伙伴关系。围绕着这种经济关系,需要有社会联系,本星期访问珀斯的学生由西澳大利亚州政府和浙江省外事办公室赞助,正在建立这种关系。我对这种关系感到非常高兴。我们将继续我们的方式,这是可行的方式。

张博士:你认为胡世泰的案件会对这种关系产生任何影响吗?

州长:我不认为会有长期影响,但它现在肯定是一个因素。这就是为什么我希望中国有关部门能迅速处理这一案件,以便使其得到解决,因为它确实对这种关系有后遗症,让人们担心。我与之打交道的中国的一些领导者和一些企业向我表达了这种情绪。他们为此担心。他们希望案件得到处理。我们向他们表示案件不会影响与澳大利亚的关系。但它对中国政府官员来说是一个大问题,对中国的媒体来说是一个大问题。因此,与其他问题一样,我从中国回来后对澳大利亚商业界上层人士和政治家强调,我们应该注意,不要扰乱对我们来说非常重要的经济和社会关系以及政治关系。

张博士:谢谢州长。

州长:谢谢。很高兴再次见到你。

Premier: Chinese Investment Welcome in Western Australia

Interview with Hon. Colin Barnett MLA, Premier of Western Australia

By Dr Edward Zhang JP

Chief Editor of Australian Chinese Times

Dr Zhang: Just come back from China?

Premier: Just came back on Sunday night.

Dr Zhang: Sunday night? It must be a fruitful trip to Beijing, isn't it?

Premier: It was. While I had planned this trip for sometime, it was fortunate that I was in China the week I was. There was no doubt that there were some tensions in the relationship between China and Australia over a range of issues. And I think it was lucky that I was there and I was able to reassure people that we meant that we had a good friendly relationship and particularly that the Chinese investment was welcome in Australia, particularly in Western Australia. As the week went on, I found that the relationship was getting back into where it should be. China found a lot of interest and lot of enthusiasm, but there were a number of issues just coincidentally during that week.

Dr Zhang: How about the Rio Tinto Stern Hu's case? In Shanghai you talked with the Mayor of Shanghai about the case.

Premier: I raised that with the Mayor of Shanghai, and that was to this moment the most senior political contact within China on that issue. That was the only time I raised it at that time. I think it was just appropriate at that time. I simply made the case that we did respect China's sovereignty, and its legal system and its judicial system, but we hope the case could proceed quickly and I also requested that Australian consulate staff could get greater access to Stern Hu not only for his welfare and his family was concerned about him. So I want to make the point. The Mayor of Shanghai listened to what I had said. He stressed that Chinese law must apply and I readily accept that, but he did say that he would pass on my message to the appropriate authorities in Beijing.

Dr Zhang: Do you think the case will be handled quickly in China or it will be prolonged?

Premier: I hope, but it was never on my appeal that the case be dealt with quickly, but if it doesn't drag on it's good not only for Stern Hu and his family but also that it doesn't cause a wide damage to Australia-China relationship. I can understand that within China there were concerns about the amount of comment about that and other issues in Australian media. I think there was a sensitivity in China about Australian politicians and Australia media's commenting on many internal issues for China. That was about that issue, but my focus was Western Australia, trade and investment and the fact Western Australia provides 68% of all of Australia's exports to China. My Chinese hosts were very aware of that and very welcoming. The week might have started with a slight tense, but at the end of the week I think it was fabulous relationship, a lot of decisions, well a lot of indications were given to me during the week that there was to be significant Chinese engagement. I reassured people that they were welcome. That was lucky I was there for the week.

Dr Zhang: Let's come back to the meetings in Beijing with the business circle. You said that China has re-expressed their interest in the involvement in the development of Western Australia, especially in the Oakagee Port & Rail project. But I remember that it was reported that you ruled out the Yilgarn's bid, a China-backed company, for the development of Oakagee Port & Rail project in February. Have you changed your position in that?

Premier: No. Look. That is not correct. The process of tendering for Oakagee Port & Rail development was done under the previous government not under my government. And I at the time questioned the process of essentially having a competition between our two important trade partners. Both of the opponents put together proposals for the port and rail developments. That was accepted by the previous government and they awarded the Oakagee Port & Rail on that basis. I have accepted that and gone forward. Having said that, I made very clear in the meetings in Beijing that we will welcome China becoming directly involved in the project. In several ways it could happen. Because I saw the whole Oakagee development, from mine to rail to port as an industrial estate, as a major project for Western Australia and Asia. It will the first truly Australia, Japan and China collaboration. And I am confident that will come to play.

Dr Zhang: I still remember the days when we were visiting Hangzhou. What differences have you noticed between the now Hangzhou and the then Hangzhou?

Premier: The physical development has been dramatic. The first impression of arriving in Hangzhou is the spectacular road into the city. It is 25 kilometers, beautiful gardens. Hangzhou is a very, very attractive city. The West Lake area was much the same, but very vibrant, very prosperous looking in the city. And that was my impression throughout China. I was very impressed by the architecture, the cleanliness in the cities, the efficiency of the transport systems, very impressive.

Dr Zhang: How do you compare with the time 7 years ago when we were visiting Hangzhou?

Premier: A big advance. More subtly, but perhaps more significantly I found the organizations I dealt with were now in every sense world class. The quality of their management, people's qualifications, very sophisticated businesses. A number of the groups are amongst the Fortune's top 500 companies of the world. In every sense the first time I visited China that was still early stages of the emergence of the modern Chinese economy. The organizations could match anything in America, anything in Europe, and that's probably the change that I saw. It was very impressive. And very pleased too.

Dr Zhang: The English Language Competition now they call “Experience Western Australia” was called “Go to Western Australia”. It has been running for 5 years. How do you assess the result and what is the benefit for Western Australia for hosting such a large group of students from Zhejiang every year, 25 or 30 students?

Premier: 25 students. Western Australian and Zhejiang relationship has been very successful. I was pleased that last week we signed an agreement on collaboration over generic work in barley production, in security and police training, and in a couple of other areas. It was a very broad relationship. Government organizations, private sectors and universities are involved. Part of that relationship is not only business but also links between people especially links between young people. This is the fifth year of the language competition which has been run. You see the 25 students here today. The will be here for only a couple of days. They have just arrived. It's great to have a week in Western Australia. They seem to be excited, looking forward to experiencing new things. From a pragmatic point of view, the fact is that the competition was entered into by nearly 300,000 students in Zhejiang Province. That is fantastic that not only the 300,000 students but their families and friends will all learn something about where is Western Australia, what is going on there and what is the relationship. And I think it's very positive thing. Even some of the students today maybe like to come back and study here, and at some stage work here, or holiday here. And they only very young. I look forward to having more students from Western Australian school to go to Zhejiang. It's a very warm relationship and goodwill. Very warm.

Dr Zhang: So you think it's a good way of marketing WA?

Premier: Yes. It is. Zhejiang, from my memory, has 53 million people. We have just two million people. We cannot be everywhere once. So with Zhejiang we can have a relationship and it was put to me by some of the officials we met that the relationship between Zhejiang and Western Australia is the strongest Zhejiang relationship. They also have a very strong relationship with a German state. Those are the two that are viable ones that work well. And for us the relationship is very good. So we can have a relationship with some part of China that can work, but we can't spread across China. It's too big. But also, economically Zhejiang-Shanghai region there is a lot of business connections into that area. I do not know what Zhejiang people think of that expression for, but Shanghai people say that “Zhejiang is our backyard”. That region of China is very important for us. Very friendly state relationship.

Dr Zhang: What is your priority in promoting WA-Zhejiang relationship, or in a broader sense WA-China relationship, during your term of office, say three years ahead?

Premier: In terms of the broader China relationship, my view is that Western Australia, in a sense, has been content to see China as a buyer of raw materials. And that suits China too. It has been a good trade relationship. China has become for Western Australia an important export market. What I would like to see now, during my time as Premier, is that we can take that relationship to a higher level. It becomes not only an export relationship, which is important to that extent. We should then see investment, joint venture companies, Chinese-Australian companies working together on many other projects. We take from simple trade relationship to investment and true economic partnership. Around that economic relationship, there need be social links, and the students visiting Perth this week sponsored by the Western Australian government and Zhejiang Foreign Affairs Department is building around that relationship. I am very pleased of the relationship. We'll keep the way we are and it's the way to go.

Dr Zhang: Do you think Stern Hu's case will have any influence in the relationship?

Premier: I don't think it has a long-term influence, but it certainly is a factor at this moment. That's why I hope the Chinese authorities can deal with this case quickly and that it can be resolved, because it does have a hangover in the relationship that makes people apprehensive. The sentiment like that was expressed to me by some of the Chinese leaders and some of the corporations I dealt with. They were concerned about it. They hoped it would be dealt with. We assured them that it would not affect the relationship with Australia. But it is a big issue for government officials in China and a big issue in Chinese media. So as with other issues, I come back from China and stressed to some senior business people in Australia and politically that we need to give some attention to make sure that we do not upset what is our very important economic and social relationship and political relationship.

Dr Zhang: Thank you Premier.

Premier: Thank you. And nice to see you again.


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